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# Buy a partial lower parts kit like [http://www.midwayusa.com/product/862947/ar-stoner-customizable-lower-receiver-parts-kit-ar-15 this one]. I was planning on doing my own grip and trigger parts anyway, so there was really no reason to buy a complete kit. I could have saved around $20 this way. | # Buy a partial lower parts kit like [http://www.midwayusa.com/product/862947/ar-stoner-customizable-lower-receiver-parts-kit-ar-15 this one]. I was planning on doing my own grip and trigger parts anyway, so there was really no reason to buy a complete kit. I could have saved around $20 this way. | ||
# Figure out exactly what you need before you start buying. I had planned on moving slower, but got caught up in the excitement of the build. I passed up on lots of good deals because I didn't know what I was looking for. Similarly, I jumped on some deals that turned out to not really be "deals". | # Figure out exactly what you need before you start buying. I had planned on moving slower, but got caught up in the excitement of the build. I passed up on lots of good deals because I didn't know what I was looking for. Similarly, I jumped on some deals that turned out to not really be "deals". This probably cost me $100 over the entire build. |
Revision as of 01:14, 3 March 2016
I was randomly browsing through reddit one day and came across a DIY build for an AR15. The guy had built a really nice AR15 from the ground up. I've always owned guns, but honestly never had much desire to buy an AR15. To me, they always seemed overhyped and I just assumed people were just buying them to spite Obama. Little did I know, however, they are beautifully engineered and their modularity, reliability, and reasonable price make them one of the best rifles on the market. I still have no desire to buy a stock AR, but the idea of creating my own from parts is really appealing. I'll use this page to document the build over the next few months as I slowly start acquiring parts and putting it together.
Research
In this section, I'll document some builds that I like and start putting together my wish list for parts.
Builds
PixeltatedNinja - Budget
Anderson Lower - $60 - LGS BCM Blem Upper - $80 - bravocompanyusa.com PSA MOE Lower Build Kit - $130 - palmettostatearmory.com PSA Blem BCG - $75 - palmettostatearmory.com Schuyler Arms 16" Melonite 1:7 twist barrel - $100 - schuylerarmsco.com Rouche Sports 15" Handguard - $70 - rouschsports.com JBO Adjustable Gas Block - $30 - joeboboutfitters.com Seekins Gas Tube - $16 - joeboboutfitters.com JBO Charging Handle - $18 - joeboboutfitters.com A2 Flash Hider - $7 - joeboboutfitters.com Crush Washer - $3 - joeboboutfitters.com PMag 30rd - $12 - Cabela's Bushnell TRS-25 Reddot w/riser - $99 - Amazon (Splurge) Magpul B.A.D. - $20 - Cabela's
Fenucker
Rainier upper receiver 50 Rainier lower receiver 130 Strike industries dust cover 13 Battle link minimalist stock 50 Rainier Avalanche charging handle 75 Geissele M-Lok handguard 13in. 240 Geissele gas block free 0 APF Armory Bolt Carrier Group 120 Buffer tube 35 Surefire Procomp muzzle brake 50 PSA lower parts kit w/pistol grip 80 MAS defense .223 Wylde barrel 150 Carbine gas tube 15 Total is 1010 Accessories Strike industries forward curved grip 40 Samson micro red dot mount 55 Primary arms micro dot 170 Magpul bad lever 25 Magpul iron sights 75
wwojlo - SBR
AlexandRyanDesign - SBR
AR (10.5 SBR): Odin 10.5" 223 Wylde Barrel Odin XMR Battle arms Development BAD ambi safety selector AAC Mini Comp Muzzle Device AAC 762 SDN6 Suppressor Lantac-USA EBCG V7 Weapon Systems Titanium Gas Block V7 Weapon Systems Titanium Forward Assist V7 Weapon Systems Titanium Takedown Pins V7 Weapon Systems Alloy Upper Receiver CMC 3.5 Flatbow MAG Tact Magnesium Alloy Lower YHM flip up sights YHM Coated Gas tube BCM Mod4 Charging Handle Fortis REV 9" Rail Magpul Grip
Lightborne - 16"
Aero Precision M4E1 complete 16" upper .223 wylde w/ 15" m-lok handguard Anderson lower Anderson LPK Anderson carbine buffer Seekins billet trigger guard Seekins billet mag release BCM Gunfighter mod 1 grip Magpul UBR stock Hiperfire 24c trigger FailZero EXO NiB BCG AXTS Raptor charging handle Magpul MBUS Pro sights VG6 Epsilon muzzle brake
Kaky - Budget
Very basic budget AR - probably wouldn't want to go much cheaper
The cost was around $560 sans magazines and sights. here is the shopping list: PSA 16" Mid-length 5.56 NATO 1/7 11" SQR Free Float Upper - No BCG or CH - 7780257 ($270) PSA 5.56 Premium HPT/MPI Full Auto Bolt Carrier Group - No Logo - 39339 ($80) Palmetto State Amory Charging Handle with Tactical Release Latch ($30) PSA AR-15 Complete Lower - Magpul CTR Edition - Black, No Magazine - 49177($170) I bought some Gen2 Magpul mags from my local Cabellas for around $11 each, and found gen1 Magpul flip up sights on ebay for $20 new. so total it was under $600
SeaLegs - SBR
Upper Ballistic Advantage 12.5” government profile barrel, Modern Series Ballistic Advantage BCG, phosphate Aero Precision upper BCM KMR-10 handguard A2 flash hider Lower Geissele SSA-E trigger KAK lower parts kit KAK Shockwave Blade and tube, standard carbine buffer Spike’s lower Accessories MBUS front sight KAC 600m rear sight Holosun red dot, solar powered Magpul BAD lever BCM keymod panels, BCM QD sling point, BCM QD rear plate
Whiskey Fire - 16"
Aero Precision 5.56 Rifle = 519.05 UTG Mid Profile Riser = 8.77 Bushnell TRS-25 RDS = 68.19 Strike Industries Dust Cover = 15.95 MFT BMS Minimalist Mils Spec Buttstock = 44.75 Magpul MBUS = 69.95 Fortis Rev II 14” M-Lok Rail = 228.39 Lancer L5 30 Rd Mag = 16.99 Paracord = 4.99 BCM Gunfighter Mod 2 = 29.95 (not installed yet)
Stratofisher - 16"
Aside from the trigger, a relatively inexpensive build. Trigger is apparently very good, but $200.
PSA Upper and Lower PSA full auto BCG PSA Ultralightweight Keymod Handguard PSA CHF 16" 1:7 Ultralightweight Barrel Geissele SSA-E Trigger Mission First Tactical Minimalist Stock Magpul K2 Grip Magpul MBUS Sights
Qaest - 16"
Upper: Palmetto Lower: Palmetto Charging handle: BCM gunfighter mod 3 BCG: Palmetto Premium 9310 Barrel: 16" 1:7 twist Palmetto Premium carbine gas (made by FN) Flash hider: YHM phantom Rail: YHM SLK 12 keymod Sights: Magpul BUIS Optic: Vortex Strikefire gen 1 Optic mount: Aero Precision 30mm Scope covers: Butler Creek Stock: Magpul CTR Grip: Magpul MOE+ Magazine: Magpul 20rd gen 2 Trigger: Geissele SSA-E
Construction Guides
- Detailed AT15 Step By Step Assembly - Really nice step-by-step guide that explains construction and testing of an AR
- Barrel Length - 16, 18, or 20" - 18" sounds like a good all around pick
- M-Lok vs Keymod - general consensus seems to be that M-Lok is better supported
Suppliers
Core Parts
- Lockestone - Beautiful, but very expensive 80% Lowers. They also sell a reasonably priced, reusable jig that is supposed to work with any milspec lower
- Tactical Machining - Inexpensive and popular 80% lowers
- Palmetto State Armory - these guys seem to be a very popular supplier with a decent price/quality ratio
- Primary Arms BCG - recommended, relatively inexpensive BCG ($159)
- BCM BCG - Another inexpensive BCG ($169)
- Daniel Defense Chrome BCG ($150)
- Raptor Charging Handle - popular charging handle ($60-$80)
- Giessele 15" Rail - Nice rail system. ($275)
Optics
- Hybrid Sight III - Recommended by Dave Gallagher. Not cheap, but maybe some day..
- Primary Arms Red Dot Optics - Until then, this is a highly recommended alternative for under $100
- Bushnell TRS 25 - Another highly recommended, low cost red dot optic.
- Aimpoint Pro - Somewhere between the eotech above and the inexpensive TRS-25
Furniture
- Magpul - These guys have a full line of attractive, modern furniture that are very popular
- Daniel Defense - Attractive Pistol Grips
Parts List
The goal was to keep my costs below $1000. I probably could have gone cheaper with a few things, but I think I should easily be able to meet my goal and will end up with a much nicer rifle than I would have gotten by buying pre-built. Having said that, I think I could have definitely saved some money by finding a kit that included a lot of the same parts I ended up going with.
Patriot Defense Arms stripped lower - $110 (2/12)
I picked up my first two parts tonight. A friend from work knew someone that was trying to get rid of a bunch of stuff and happened to have a Patriot Defense Arms Stripped Lower. The company appears to be out of business, but it looks like a well-made, mil-spec lower. I had originally planned on starting with an 80% lower, but I think this will actually work out better. I think my dad and I can use this one to mil out an 80% without the $80 jig. If all goes well, this will get me two lowers (one stripped, one 80%) for around what an 80% and a jig would have cost. And if it doesn't work out, I'm only out the $40.
Unfortunately at $110, I think I paid a little more than it was worth (especially considering the company is now defunct), but it was a friend of a friend and he was really helpful. He spent a good hour going through everything he's learned about AR's (and gunsmithing/shooting). I can easily make up the $10 or $20 premium I probably paid.
Lower Parts Kit - $50 (2/12)
The second thing I ordered was a basic lower parts kit. I got it from Schuyler Arms for around $50. At the recommendation of the FoF above, I'm going to replace the trigger spring with a JP trigger spring. Given that they are on backorder, I wish I had thought about getting him to throw one in with the lower, but oh well. I'm sure I can find one somewhere and it's only $10.
JP Enterprises Enhanced Spring Kit - $16 (2/13)
Found on ebay for $16 and free shipping.
Toms Tactical AR-15 Mil-Spec Buffer Tube Assembly Kit - $36 (2/14)
Ordered a standard carbine buffer tube for $36 and free shipping.
Aero Precision Stripped Upper from Monmouth Reloading - $70 (2/23)
I really like the Aero Uppers/Lowers. This seems like a pretty decent price.
Upper Ejection Port & Forward Assist Assembly - $19.95 (2/23)
Rousch ULS1 V2 M2 Keymod Free Float Handguard - $69.24 (2/23)
From everything I've read, these seem to be really nice handguards. I was leaning towards an M-Lok, but I don't really expect to be mounting much on the rail anyway, so for the price, I don't think I can do much better.
Magpul PMAG® 30 AR/M4 GEN M2 MOE® * 2 - $26 (2/25)
Not much to say about these. They're light, strong, and relatively cheap. Been waiting for them to be in stock for a while.
Magpul CTR® MilSpec Carbine Stock - $59 (2/25)
Not much to say about this. Magpul seems to be the best furniture out there. I toyed with going OD Green, but wasn't sure how it would turn out and was having trouble finding inventory. Finally settled on black.
AR-15 X2 Scorpion Recoil Pistol Grip - $20 (2/26)
Hadn't really planned on replacing the standard grip so soon, but I really like the look of this one and the grey will hopefully break up the black a little bit.
Strike Ind. Ultimate Enhanced (U D C) Cover - $15 (2/28)
The observant among you will notice that I already bought one of these. Turns out I bought a cover for an AR10 and it's too wide for the AR15 upper. This one is actually plastic and has some patterning on it. Not sure how I'll like it, but if it doesn't work out, it was relatively cheap.
BCM Mod 3 Charging Handle 5. 5 6 / .2 2 3 - $50 (2/28)
Was originally planning on doing the Raptor charging handle, but decided to go with a BCM instead. Most people seem pretty happy with them, it's a little cheaper, I don't care about ambidextrous, and I liked the look.
Total - $611
Still needed - $270
Raptor Charging Handle ($70)- BCG - I'm having a really hard time finding a good nickel boron coated BCG ($70)
- Barrel/Gas Block/Tube ($100)
- Optics ($100)
Build
Lower Assembly
Got my lower parts this morning. I'm still waiting on some oil, grease, and a wrench to finish it out, but it's mostly done. I really enjoyed putting it together and am kinda sad it's done. I can see this being addicting. On to the upper..
Upper Assembly
Furniture
Barrel
Waiting on parts..
Lessons Learned
Here's a few things I would do differently if I was starting over.
- Buy a partial lower parts kit like this one. I was planning on doing my own grip and trigger parts anyway, so there was really no reason to buy a complete kit. I could have saved around $20 this way.
- Figure out exactly what you need before you start buying. I had planned on moving slower, but got caught up in the excitement of the build. I passed up on lots of good deals because I didn't know what I was looking for. Similarly, I jumped on some deals that turned out to not really be "deals". This probably cost me $100 over the entire build.